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Seventh World

The Seventh World is due to begin on April 4, 7137 AD. Has anybody done any stories or scenarios set at or near this date? Would anybody have any interest in such scenarios? The Seventh World would end in about the year 12,263 AD. Is there any interest in scenarios set in that year? I'm not volunteering, I'm just wondering. Thanks.
:)--NotWillDecker 17:01 18 August 2006

dont think so wouldent it be magic free anyway (little boring).Ansolin 06:11, 7 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Forgive me for any broken etiquette as I am a new editor, but this seems unrelated to the Shadowrun page in general, and perhaps better suited to a forum dedicated to discussing playing the game.Lotus Watcher (talk) 17:17, 24 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

List of Shadowrun writers and illustrators

In see also section I saw link to Echo Chernik. Maybe it's worth to make full listy of people which contributed in Shadowrun developement?

-mattness

The list would be freakishly long. You'd have to add Elmore for cover art on the original books, Steve Kenson for his ubiquitous contribution to the magic system, ad infinatum. Also, there are many places on the web where people keep lists of this kind of information going already. At the most, link to one of those external sites.

- Martin Gotthard August-08

Foreign languages

French SR: I'm not sure about how many translated sourcebooks there are since some of them kept the original title. Maybe somebody knowing SR France better than I do, could check the number.

German SR: some of the German sourcebooks are compilations of original material. E.g. the "Nordamerika-Quellenbuch" (North america sourcebook)contains material from NAN I & II an the Neo-anarchists guide to NA. I'm not sure if these informations are relevant though.

- deus_sociologicus 13:55, 28 Oct 2007

AI art

@Canterbury Tail Regarding this, the image looked fine to me. Anything 100% canon will be copyrighted, so it's just the question of whether we allow fan art or not. _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 13:04, 19 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

It's a generic elf with some funky headphones, ears that are too large and no neck at all just some coiled metal. It screams generic scifi elf, there's nothing that says Shadowrun or makes any suggestive connection to Shadowun and the details of the prompt even support that with "Lord of the Rings" and the style of an artists who hasn't illustrated for Shadowrun. The details of the image by the uploader are clearly not intended to represent Shadowrun. As a result there's no connection. It's like uploading a generic spaceship and saying it's fan art for Star Wars. Or a picture made for Cyberpunk 2020 and saying it's Shadowrun. Canterbury Tail talk 13:28, 19 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Canterbury Tail I hear you, but I wonder if "better this than nothing" wouldn't work for now. I am sure there is better fan art out there, and we can eventually have AI generate it for us (assuming we would accept any fan art at all?). _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 13:58, 19 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Images aren't decorative, they need to serve a specific purpose in improving the article. There's no such thing as better this than nothing, especially when the this is something that isn't even about the article subject. Would we put a generic picture of a human in the article and say it's a Shadowrun human? No of course we wouldn't. So why would we put a generic picture of a scifi elf in it and say it's related? Canterbury Tail talk 14:34, 19 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

But how can we get a non-generic, non-copyright image? And it's debatable at what point artsy images move from being decorative to informative. Note, I am not saying we have to restore that particular image, but I wonder what you would consider acceptable? _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 14:47, 19 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Don't get me wrong it's an interesting question to ponder, and I honestly don't have an answer. This is something that I think needs a larger discussion at the Wikipedia level on images, is fan art acceptable? Is it OR or synthesis? These are interesting questions that this page on its own likely can't answer. For the question of AI art specifically, I think WP:COPYRIGHT needs to answer the question of whether it's copyrighted, copyright violations or non-copyrightable before that one can go further. I know it's a major concern in the RPG industry right now with most publishers banning AI art due to copyright issues and lots of research finding occasional copyrighted material inside them, but that is definitely not a question I or this page can answer. Canterbury Tail talk 00:32, 20 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Canterbury Tail Good points. I asked on Commons re copyright and was directed to Commons:AI generated media. It seems that AI art is generally allowed, but not when it is "intentionally derivative". I'd interpret it here as a generic cybered elf is ok, but a clearly identified Harlequin would not be ok (side note: I think Commons does allow intentionally derivative cosplay...). WP:FANART is not a thing (link?) yet, so maybe some community-wide RfC on acceptability of fan art would be a good idea, if we really care to devele into this deeper. The ease with which AI can generate fan art does suggest this (addition of AI generated fan art to various articles) will be a more common occurence in the future. _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 03:33, 20 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

PS. Just a randomd datapoint: Honorverse has a fan-made map (that has been there since I think forever). _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 04:29, 20 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

PPS. commons:Category:Shadowrun (tabletop RPG). (Some images are mine, and I don't claim they are good quality...). It's really an interesting question if we want no image at all, given the choice of generic fanart or also very generic cosplay? :) Btw, the one image I think might be best to add would be File:Gen Con Indy 2008 - artists (Shadowrun).JPG - an illustrator holding a copy of a SR book they illustrated? _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 04:33, 20 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hmmm I think that photo would have a hard time staying in the article due to WP:IMAGERELEVANCE. The artist isn't the subject, and it would be undue to call them out in the article just to have a photo, and the Shadowrun content is next to nothing. Canterbury Tail talk 08:44, 20 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Talk archiving and rollback

I had to revert the edit on this page that said it was archiving the talk, as it was not archiving it was just deleted. I had to use rollback as there is a blacklisted URL in the text and it wouldn't come back any other way. Canterbury Tail talk 01:40, 1 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for catching that. I'll set an archive bot to do the archiving instead, as it can handle blacklisted links. I'll have to get proper date signatures on the oldest posts, though. Wizmut (talk) 19:00, 1 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]